tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12723103.post113635703883217635..comments2023-05-27T03:17:19.681-07:00Comments on PyroManiac: Prophecy revisitedPhil Johnsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00649092052031518426noreply@blogger.comBlogger93125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12723103.post-1136899939657308172006-01-10T05:32:00.000-08:002006-01-10T05:32:00.000-08:00I have a wonderful loving relationship with my Sav...I have a wonderful loving relationship with my Savior. I experience His great love, because He has come and made His abode with me, and because He has, in His perfect wisdom, given me His Word, to nourish my soul, and to protect me from all the wolves in sheeps clothings out there, and there are many who preach a different Jesus, a different gospel, and who even bring a different spirit with them, so that they may deceive even the elect, if possible.<BR/>It's because I have the Holy Spirit given to me by my Father through the Son, and His Holy Bible that my love for Him is so deep and rich. He protects His own with His truth, and the Spirit of truth. <BR/>What a gracious Lord we do have.<BR/>If some need some extra sayings from our Lord, that's fine with me. Maybe the Lord grants that to some, and that's great. But I am a weak and suseptible kind of guy, and I need to be set apart by His truth alone, and kept close in the refuge of His Word alone. And my heart rejoices in His grace, and my soul rests in the shadow of His wings.donsandshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03665794015011057098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12723103.post-1136873224275671342006-01-09T22:07:00.000-08:002006-01-09T22:07:00.000-08:00Sorry I was out of town for this further endeavor ...Sorry I was out of town for this further endeavor into de-spiritualizing/naturalizing Christianity, Phil. This is shockingly awful theology- again.<BR/>It's painful to read.<BR/>If God does not communicate outside of His Word, why would he intervene at all beyond writing His Word? Do you really preach this despair to the sick and needy at your church? Christ did not. Christ did not send sick people to their Bibles to read to be healed. Neither did the apostles. Christ said come unto me and the apostles said come to Him. Why is it that you say, go read your book- He doesn't do that stuff anymore?Bradhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04859259996035017464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12723103.post-1136847409098257142006-01-09T14:56:00.000-08:002006-01-09T14:56:00.000-08:00....and He doesn't give us the freedom we need to .......and He doesn't give us the freedom we need to grow in His love and grace, but boundries?<BR/>Ouch - doesn't sound so much like running a race as it does waiting out a storm.A R N O L Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08966077252310270607noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12723103.post-1136847175787209592006-01-09T14:52:00.000-08:002006-01-09T14:52:00.000-08:00..so the only role of the third person of God is t.....so the only role of the third person of God is to help us understand His word better?A R N O L Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08966077252310270607noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12723103.post-1136831028055146372006-01-09T10:23:00.000-08:002006-01-09T10:23:00.000-08:00On the Catholic station, I remember when the main ...On the Catholic station, I remember when the main nun on the show said she was feeling discouraged, until the Lord spoke to her and told her, "You haven't been praying to St. Joseph for encouragement." So she did, and was encouraged.<BR/><BR/>The Triune God of Scripture has given us His Holy Scripture, and the third Person of the Trinity comes to live in His Church, and in our hearts to help us see His word, which gives us the boundaries we need to grow in His love and grace.donsandshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03665794015011057098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12723103.post-1136812081003558462006-01-09T05:08:00.000-08:002006-01-09T05:08:00.000-08:00Phil, I think it will be good if you can clarify w...Phil, <BR/>I think it will be good if you can clarify what you mean by 'personal revelation'. Does that mean that God cannot speak to an individual anymore. Where is the place of the relationship christians are meant to have with the God. You discarding all prophecy on the basis of some particular 'failed' ones in your opinion and doing that without considering what the scriputres says about knowing in part is no difference from an atheist view of christianity as false because of some people's misbehaviour in the name of God. In my opinion your comments are dangerours and misleading for anyone seeking a deeper relationship with God.Dotunhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04212810551747940066noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12723103.post-1136784410062097682006-01-08T21:26:00.000-08:002006-01-08T21:26:00.000-08:00....if someone is so submitted to God - living in .......if someone is so submitted to God - living in 100% humility, who says they aren't in tune to the constant guiding of the Holy Spirit. As long as what they share about their "revelations" aren't contradictory to His word, who is anyone to say it isn't authentic? - who is so egotistical as to think they have God completely "figured out" and who would want to place perameters around how He should work in our lives? - just curious.A R N O L Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08966077252310270607noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12723103.post-1136759924232807442006-01-08T14:38:00.000-08:002006-01-08T14:38:00.000-08:00The two teachings on gifts are that they are still...The two teachings on gifts are that they are still in use, and that they have ceased to be in use. Both sides concur that the gifts were indeed in use in the ist century Church. <BR/>I believe they surely could be in use, but for the most part- that is- what we see on T.V.- is fabricated, or simply done in the flesh, thinking it is the Spirit of God.<BR/>If it really is the Spirit of our Lord, then it is going to be according to Scripture verbatim.<BR/>There is only so much instruction in the Scriptures however, and that is why we have such a controvery with this teaching in the Church.<BR/>Like I stated before, I have a difficult time understanding what the gift of interpretation is, and how it should work in the church, according to Acts 2:8, and 1 Cor 14.donsandshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03665794015011057098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12723103.post-1136743226202059532006-01-08T10:00:00.000-08:002006-01-08T10:00:00.000-08:00Forgive my ignorance, but do you think that there ...Forgive my ignorance, but do you think that there were no Benny Hins of the first Church? Does the fact there are some who teach falsely on the gifts of the spirit mean that there are no gifts? Because in my eyes, if you use the same logic, Christianity is false because some people preach false doctrines. I know I am probably missing something, but I was a little confused. . .Courtneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17953788763283155146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12723103.post-1136727219413593882006-01-08T05:33:00.000-08:002006-01-08T05:33:00.000-08:00donsands: Very well said. No disagreement on any ...donsands: Very well said. No disagreement on any of that. Thanks for the dialogue!<BR/><BR/>steve :)Steve Sensenighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04366847574145407186noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12723103.post-1136681975356138212006-01-07T16:59:00.000-08:002006-01-07T16:59:00.000-08:00To Steve;"...the Word was with God, and the Word w...To Steve;<BR/>"...the Word was with God, and the Word was God."<BR/><BR/>We can for sure worship this Word, that's for sure.<BR/>I agree that man's theology can become an idol. There is a huge difference between man's doctrine and God's doctrine. God's Truth, which is Christ, is a mystery in one sense, and I do not think we can nail this down completely as finite beings. <BR/><BR/>I worship the Triune God of the Scriptures, and serve the Lord Jesus Christ, and the Father in heaven alone. His Words are one with Him. They are holy and perfect. They are never wrong. They are absolute and divine. And His Word is His expression of who he is. Once again a mystery to a point.<BR/><BR/>Those who are called by the Lord to teach His Word and expound upon it are never perfect.<BR/>The Confessions we have, which are wonderful, are man's doctrine. And they can become an idol, I agree.<BR/><BR/>There's one more doctrine out there, and that's the doctrine of demons. And we need to be aware of these as well. For they surely do become idols for man.<BR/><BR/>Those are some rather crude thoughts on the matter, but I am learning. Thanks for your input.donsandshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03665794015011057098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12723103.post-1136672211070973312006-01-07T14:16:00.000-08:002006-01-07T14:16:00.000-08:00donsands (well, the Psalmist, actually!) wrote: "I...donsands (well, the Psalmist, actually!) wrote: <I>"I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy Truth: for Thou hast magnified [exhaulted] Thy Word above all Thy name!" Psalm 138: 2</I><BR/><BR/>I appreciate the point you're trying to make here, so I'm not trying to pick a fight. But it is interesting to note a couple of things:<BR/><BR/>1. Not all translations agree on the phrasing of that. I'm not a Hebrew scholar, nor the son of a Hebrew scholar, so I would have to do some research elsewhere to find out which translation best captures this verse. However, suffice it to say that I would not feel comfortable brushing off the question with this one verse.<BR/><BR/>2. The religious leaders of Jesus' day held the Scriptures in very high esteem, but missed the fact that they pointed to Jesus. In that sense, I think it's possible to say that their theology and their Scriptures were functioning as idols to them, in that they put them above God Himself (although, to be fair, they were blind to this fact).<BR/><BR/>Whether or not one can be truly accused of "bibliolatry" may very well be up for debate. But theology, which really amounts to our best attempts to express the truth of Scripture, can easily become an idol for people.<BR/><BR/>If I can say this gently (and believe me, I'm trying!) take note in most theological conversations how often certain names are mentioned, certain creeds are mentioned, certain theological "catch phrases" are mentioned vs. the number of times Scripture is actually exegeted. I'm not accusing anyone outright of "theologolatry" (hehe...my poorly-coined word), but I think it warrants a frequent caution flag.<BR/><BR/>To be fair, many approach theology from the standpoint of "why re-invent the wheel?" and I can respect that to a certain extent. But if we refer to our systematic theology and its statements either more frequently than or even as authoritatively as the Word of God itself, I think we run a risk, even if only slight in some situations.<BR/><BR/>That is why I think Steve Camp was right on when he requested that we approach this topic of prophecy from the standpoint of exegeting biblical texts.<BR/><BR/>I still am firmly convinced that there is a middle ground between die-hard cessationists and fringe lunatic charismatics on this issue!<BR/><BR/>Some may label me a heretic for suggesting that, but I really do think that once we define the terms in a way we can agree (such as, "what is prophecy?") we may find that we're not all so far apart after all.<BR/><BR/>Just my wordy two cents...<BR/>steve :)Steve Sensenighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04366847574145407186noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12723103.post-1136660978258240212006-01-07T11:09:00.000-08:002006-01-07T11:09:00.000-08:00"I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise..."I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy Truth: for Thou hast magnified [exhaulted] Thy Word above all Thy name!" Psalm 138: 2<BR/><BR/>I do not think God's Word can become an idol. I love His Word, and I love Him. I worship our Lord alone. And His Word is exhaulted above His name!<BR/><BR/>That's my heart on the matter.donsandshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03665794015011057098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12723103.post-1136648805494522852006-01-07T07:46:00.000-08:002006-01-07T07:46:00.000-08:00Great post Marla. I agree.Great post Marla. I agree.candyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06088593538648596769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12723103.post-1136642328702006162006-01-07T05:58:00.000-08:002006-01-07T05:58:00.000-08:00Marla said: Is it possible for the Bible and theol...Marla said: <I>Is it possible for the Bible and theology itself to become idolatrous?</I><BR/><BR/>While I am <B>not</B> pointing the finger at anyone in this particular discussion with this statement (so don't anyone get defensive, please), I would say that I think the answer to this is "yes". Sounds like a great topic to talk about sometime on a blog somewhere...<BR/><BR/>steve :)Steve Sensenighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04366847574145407186noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12723103.post-1136609374950145722006-01-06T20:49:00.000-08:002006-01-06T20:49:00.000-08:00Steve,Good comments. Particularly your commment:"...Steve,<BR/><BR/>Good comments. Particularly your commment:<BR/><BR/>"The issues I tried to address in that series became one of emphasis: i.e. not whether the gift of languages (tongues) existed today, but what was the nature of the gift itself. And then we compared the practice of those speaking in tongues today with the nature of the genuine biblical gift."<BR/><BR/>Charismatics can be slippery, though, and will insist that there are different kinds of tongues, in order to argue for their non-biblical version of tongues.<BR/><BR/>Also their views of "prophecy" tend toward one of three things:<BR/><BR/>1. Outright new revelation, such as "the Lord told me to tell you..."<BR/>2. "Pretend prophecy" such as speaking as God, like, "Thus saith the Lord...my children, and you are my children, look unto Me, for I am your sword and shield, blah, blah, blah."<BR/>3. So-called Prophets, who claim that they lay hands on people and pray for them, and then that person receives 'a word from the Lord'.<BR/><BR/>I got into the Charismatic movement as a fairly new Christian in 1981-82, thinking that they were in "revival". But I soon realized that it was a pseudo-revival, fed by unbiblical "gifts". More on that subject <A HREF="http://www.graceforlife.com/2005/11/are-charismatics-spirit-filled.html" REL="nofollow">here</A>. <BR/><BR/>And often those jumping up and down in the front row soon moved to the middle rows, then to the back rows, and often out of the church altogether, disillusioned.<BR/><BR/>Sadly, Christians often seek an outward experience to fill their spiritual emptiness.<BR/><BR/>But, true personal revival is from within. Intimate communion with Jesus is how we are truly "filled with the Spirit", resulting in the fruit of the Spirit.<BR/><BR/>Blessings,<BR/>TerryTerry Rayburnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00888533194435826837noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12723103.post-1136588034009753282006-01-06T14:53:00.000-08:002006-01-06T14:53:00.000-08:00Terry:I meant that the "should be" - "should be, b...Terry:<BR/><BR/>I meant that the "should be" - "should be, but it isn't." <BR/><BR/>1. In matters of prophecy (Phil's emphasis here) there is not much doubt considering the preeminence that 2 Peter 1:16ff gives to revealed truth even over apostolic eyewitness account of supernatural events.<BR/><BR/>2. Jude 3, <I>"contend for the the once for all delivered to the saints faith."</I> Greek <I>hapax</I> means a one time delivering never to be repeated. THE faith, the entirety of Christian doctrine and beliefs has no repetition through history. It has been delivered! If God is still speaking in giving additional revelation today as He was during apostolic times, then we all need to rip the back covers from our Bibles and continue to write.<BR/><BR/>The canon is closed.<BR/><BR/>2a. However, can the Lord use the N.T. gift of prophecy (1 Cor. 14:1-2) in the proclamation of already revealed truth? Yes. Any man of God who steps behind the sacred desk on Sunday morning and "gives the sense of it" to the people is fulfilling that role, function and office.<BR/><BR/>3. When I was on staff at Grace with Dr. MacArthur, did a summer series on this very topic. The response was tremendous. The issues I tried to address in that series became one of emphasis: i.e. not whether the gift of languages (tongues) existed today, but what was the nature of the gift itself. And then we compared the practice of those speaking in tongues today with the nature of the genuine biblical gift.<BR/><BR/>The results were amazing. More charismatics were coming up afterwards and emailing me saying that they, in light of biblical truth, couldn't honestly say that they were practicing the biblical gift of tongues. Isn't that exciting?<BR/><BR/>So, though this issue is not "simple" - the "should be" can be when examined in light of biblical truth.<BR/><BR/>One thing to whet the taste-buds - many conservative evangelicals and charismatics have this in common on the issue of tongues - they both want tongue (singular) to mean unintelligible speech so that one can say it is the practice of pagan worship that was going on in Corinth at that time; and the other wants to say it is private prayer language that only God can understand... BOTH are wrong.<BR/><BR/>Until next time,<BR/>SJ C@mp<BR/>1 Cor. 13SJ Camphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15844201288864307481noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12723103.post-1136581488400252292006-01-06T13:04:00.000-08:002006-01-06T13:04:00.000-08:00Steve Camp wrote:"The issue here should be simple:...Steve Camp wrote:<BR/><BR/>"The issue here should be simple:<BR/>[snip,snip]....Let the exegesis begin..."<BR/><BR/>As we exegete this passage from Camp, we first note the phrase "should be". This implies that the issue is, in fact, NOT simple.<BR/><BR/>The question then becomes two-fold:<BR/><BR/>1. Is the issue, in fact, simple, or is Camp's implication (that it is not simple) true?...and<BR/>2. Does Camp mean 'should' in a moral imperative sense, or in the sense that, prima facie, the issue is not a complicated one?<BR/><BR/>Taking tongue back out of cheek, the truth is that the issue is so un-simple that it has been virtually unresolvable for 2000 years.<BR/><BR/>The irony is, that the issue takes not only sola scriptura biblical exegesis, but spiritual discernment.<BR/><BR/>Truth is, the exegesis has been done repeatedly, ad nauseum, by both sides (which doesn't mean I don't applaude giving it another go...hope springs eternal in the human breast...I would love to see a roster of those whose minds are changed when the dust clears).<BR/><BR/>Two parting questions:<BR/><BR/>Q1. Has anyone CLEARLY shown cessation exegetically, such that any open-minded Bible-believer would see it anywhere near as clearly as say, the diety of Christ, or the Virgin Birth? <BR/>A. Of course not, which is why I'm not a cessationist.<BR/><BR/>Q2. Could anyone of spiritual discernment see the typical modern Charismatic "tongue-speaking", "prophesying" silliness as anything approaching the Biblical norm? <BR/>A. Not in my opinion, but then I have the gift of discernment, he said, placing tongue back into cheek.<BR/><BR/>Carpe Christum,<BR/>TerryTerry Rayburnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00888533194435826837noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12723103.post-1136577769328557282006-01-06T12:02:00.000-08:002006-01-06T12:02:00.000-08:00Phil,What do you make of William Farel's imprecati...Phil,<BR/><BR/>What do you make of William Farel's imprecations of divine wrath whereby he persuaded Calvin to remain in Geneva?<BR/><BR/>Best regards,<BR/><BR/>David HaslamDFHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02645574107206812360noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12723103.post-1136577629439426132006-01-06T12:00:00.000-08:002006-01-06T12:00:00.000-08:00gavin asked about Whitefield.Briefly, George White...<B>gavin</B> asked about Whitefield.<BR/><BR/>Briefly, George Whitefield was convinced that he'd got divine assurance that his new born son was destined to become a great evangelist. The child died in infancy. That such a shining light of the Evangelical Awakening could be susceptible to this must surely be a lesson to all of us.<BR/><BR/>Best regards<BR/><BR/>David Haslam<BR/><A HREF="http://web.ukonline.co.uk/d.haslam/" REL="nofollow">My home page</A>DFHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02645574107206812360noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12723103.post-1136560858506897242006-01-06T07:20:00.000-08:002006-01-06T07:20:00.000-08:00Thanks for sharing about John Piper. I will be pra...Thanks for sharing about John Piper. I will be praying God would heal and strengthen him.<BR/> <BR/>I know at times I can become proud and self-righteous when I debate Scripture. Surely there's enough pride to go around in both camps [Non-Reformed & Reformed], but our Father chastens His beloved children doesn't He. Heb. 12: 5-13.<BR/>I know He does me. Our Lord has a way of breaking us and restoing us, so that we are being conformed into the image of His most holy and perfect Son! This I know, that I am going to cop a bad attitude at times, and my Father is going to discipline me, and I will "yield the peaceable fruit of righteousness" by His grace and power.<BR/><BR/>In His mighty grip. John 10:29donsandshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03665794015011057098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12723103.post-1136558634795840732006-01-06T06:43:00.000-08:002006-01-06T06:43:00.000-08:00In the midst of the continuing debate on cessation...In the midst of the continuing debate on cessationism/continuationism, and sometimes snarly comments about "so called continuationists" and vice versa, I am so thankful for men like the following who are banding together in order that the gospel be proclaimed. Some of these guys are cessationists and some are continuationists. <BR/><BR/>It was discovered that John Piper has prostrate cancer. In the midst of this news and his gracious letter to his church about grace,(which can be read on Justin Taylor's blog), it brings a different perspective on how we seem to focus on contentious issues. There are weightier matters at hand. My understanding is that we should be searching for what glorifies God. Certainly debate is ok to sharpen our understanding of the gospel, but at the same time...are we arrogant in our comments? Is our motivation to honor Christ? Do we want recognition? Do we want to spur others on to a closer walk with the Lord? Do we want to exercise the fruits of the Spirit?<BR/><BR/>Back to the conference. I copied the following from the conference website. The conference is called Together for the Gospel. A Conference for Pastors and Preachers <BR/>hosted by Mark Dever, Ligon Duncan, C.J. Mahaney, Albert Mohler <BR/>with special guests John MacArthur, John Piper, and R.C. Sproul<BR/><BR/> Dear friends and partners in the gospel: <BR/><BR/>As co-laborers for Christ, you have our respect and appreciation for all that you do in proclaiming the glorious gospel. It is the most important task of your pastoral ministry, yet we well understand how other, seemingly urgent activities can obscure it. In our friendship, we never cease reminding each other of the primacy of the gospel. Although there may be secondary points of church practice on which we differ, we enthusiastically celebrate the centrality of the cross of Christ—keeping the main thing the main thing. And that's what the watching world should always notice about us. <BR/><BR/>For this reason, we’d like to invite you to join us for three days of interaction among four friends and three of our preaching heroes: John MacArthur, John Piper, and R.C. Sproul. Not only will we all benefit from the fine preaching of each speaker at this event, after each session we will host a panel discussion about that topic. <BR/><BR/>Our prayer is that through this event we will be able to extend to many other partners in the gospel the encouragement, exhortation, and edification we have enjoyed as preachers and brothers in the Lord. <BR/><BR/>We look forward to seeing you in Louisville. <BR/><BR/>Celebrating the priceless legacy of the gospel with you, <BR/><BR/>Mark Dever <BR/>Ligon Duncan <BR/>C.J. Mahaney <BR/>Albert Mohlercandyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06088593538648596769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12723103.post-1136556788204376202006-01-06T06:13:00.000-08:002006-01-06T06:13:00.000-08:00One of my big questions is what is the gift of int...One of my big questions is what is the gift of interpretation. Paul lays out some guidelines, but it's a mystery to me how this fits with Acts 2:8.<BR/>Also much of the experience I have seen in many Charismatic/Pentecostal churches actually contradicts Scripture, and these so-called gifts of the Spirit, I would think surely, can be viewed with the Holy Bible, in order to help us determine who may, or may not be a bonafide authority on this portion of Scripture, with the Word alone being our final approval of any teaching.donsandshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03665794015011057098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12723103.post-1136554576188988042006-01-06T05:36:00.000-08:002006-01-06T05:36:00.000-08:00Actually Tim Challies did interview Wayne Grudem -...Actually Tim Challies did interview Wayne Grudem -- <A HREF="http://www.challies.com/archives/001518.php" REL="nofollow">here</A> and <A HREF="http://www.challies.com/archives/001521.php#comments" REL="nofollow">here</A>. <BR/><BR/>I believe that Wayne Grudem has done some excellent work, and I own several of his books, most noatbly his Systematic Theology which is very good. However, I felt his arguments in the interview were very weak (<I>>and I am not a cessationist</I>), very subjective and not very substantive.<BR/><BR/>On the other hand -- I thought the comments directed towards Dr. Grudem were uncalled for.<BR/><BR/>Sam Waldron -- arguing the other side of the coin -- was interviewed <A HREF="http://www.challies.com/archives/001511.php" REL="nofollow">here</A> and <A HREF="http://www.challies.com/archives/001512.php" REL="nofollow">here</A>. I found Waldron's position, while I disagree with some of it, to be much more cogent as he presented it.<BR/><BR/>I just want to say that at this point, I agree with Libbie -- I am one of those awaiting a civilized, and lively (<I>no, they are not mutually exclusive</I>)debate as I am wrestling with this issue myself.Rayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01950476090876270020noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12723103.post-1136554395181913672006-01-06T05:33:00.000-08:002006-01-06T05:33:00.000-08:00C@mpi (who is now as cool as Frank):you asked "Phi...C@mpi (who is now as cool as Frank):<BR/><BR/>you asked <I>"Phil, could you interview for your blog (or I could as well) a man like C.J. and have him biblically lay out his beliefs? Wayne Grudem might be another consideration."</I><BR/><BR/>Tim Challies recently interviewed Grudem on the topic of cessationism v. continuationism. <BR/><BR/>The interview was a 2 part series following his interview with Sam Waldron on the same topic.<BR/><BR/>SDG...<BR/>C@rl@ (who will never be as cool as Frank)Carla Rolfehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09395062089776262435noreply@blogger.com