tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12723103.post112987584163937520..comments2023-05-27T03:17:19.681-07:00Comments on PyroManiac: A specimen from the week's e-mailPhil Johnsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00649092052031518426noreply@blogger.comBlogger40125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12723103.post-1130350935344019162005-10-26T11:22:00.000-07:002005-10-26T11:22:00.000-07:00LOL Joe, that took me a few minutes to get (2 Heze...LOL Joe, that took me a few minutes to get (2 Hezekiah 4:12)!<BR/><BR/>Could we say that if smoking cigars is unregenerate behavior, is over-eating also? Drinking alcohol? Playing cards? Ballroom dancing? Listening to Handel's (sp?)Messiah? Where's this list in Scripture?<BR/><BR/>I do know that Scripture does make a list of the deeds of the flesh in Galatians 5, but I don't see these things listed there. Are they elsewhere?Denisehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14770822482205703050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12723103.post-1130350422680925872005-10-26T11:13:00.000-07:002005-10-26T11:13:00.000-07:00Ex. 11: 4 So Moses said, “This is what the LORD sa...Ex. 11: 4 So Moses said, “This is what the LORD says: ‘About midnight <B>I </B>will go throughout Egypt. 5 Every firstborn son in Egypt will die, from the firstborn son of Pharaoh, who sits on the throne, to the firstborn son of the slave girl, who is at her hand mill, and all the firstborn of the cattle as well. 6 There will be loud wailing throughout Egypt—worse than there has ever been or ever will be again. 7 But among the Israelites not a dog will bark at any man or animal.’ Then you will know that the LORD makes a distinction between Egypt and Israel."<BR/><BR/>Is the Pacifist/vegitarian (or is that vegan?) going to argue with this passage of Scripture where God takes credit for the killing of the firstborn of families and animals?<BR/><BR/>How about this:<BR/><BR/>Ps. 135: 7 He makes clouds rise from the ends of the earth; he sends lightning with the rain and brings out the wind from his storehouses. 8 <B>He struck down the firstborn of Egypt, the firstborn of men and animals.</B> 9 <B>He </B> sent his signs and wonders into your midst, O Egypt, against Pharaoh and all his servants. 10 <B>He struck down many nations and killed mighty kings— </B>...Denisehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14770822482205703050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12723103.post-1130099015717415552005-10-23T13:23:00.000-07:002005-10-23T13:23:00.000-07:00There is a powerful scene in the movie To End All ...There is a powerful scene in the movie To End All Wars. The Japanese are having a Banzai celebration and taking pictures of their great accomplishment of building a railroad. The Scottish argiles along with other POWS built it with their forced sweat and deathly labor. One of the prisoners commented, "you would have thought they made it!"<BR/><BR/>A man named Loren wrote a parable this weekend on POLD.Blogspot.com aout the duty of a sheepdog. I wonder if this truth is understood or if this parable can be. Solomon shared some thoughts on this. Ecclesiastes 9:13-18 I wonder if this passage can be?Bhedrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08091896907803479900noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12723103.post-1130095811517366212005-10-23T12:30:00.000-07:002005-10-23T12:30:00.000-07:00Bo,I think an interesting topic for Phil to broach...Bo,<BR/><BR/>I think an interesting topic for Phil to broach would be the issue of doctrinal development and the impact of tradition on doctrinal formulations. What responsibility do current Christian communities have to develop doctrine, and how do we determine the parameters of this development? The motif of "recovery" in Protestant Church seems to overlook a lot of the hard-earned labor of those who developed and formulated doctrinal stances from Scripture that we take for granted. Paul obviously didn't articulate the Trinity like Tertullian did, yet the articulation which came from latter church history is a thoroughly biblical and historically important doctrinal development that has spawned other theological reflection that isn't found in the Bible (i.e. Van Til's notion of God as a community, the idea of covenants within the Godhead, etc.). <BR/><BR/>What do you say, Philys? What do we make of development throughout Church History? How should we decide which doctrines are adequately articulated and which ones need reform and recasting? How does/should this ancient development inform modern doctrinal debate? Can/should the Church still engage in doctrinal development and re-articulation? How should it be done? What are the boundaries?Sharad Yadavhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12150204571738424517noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12723103.post-1130078862596080742005-10-23T07:47:00.000-07:002005-10-23T07:47:00.000-07:00bhedr... I have a thought... before Adam Cummings ...bhedr... I have a thought... before Adam Cummings answers your question, perhaps you could give us some examples of Calvin's positive contributions to the faith from your perspective... How about other historical figures. Do you think Erasmus or Aquinas or Molina added anything to our understanding of the Word? How about Arminius or Wesley? Did they make any positive contributions in changing the world in a positive way?Udarnikhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13014389397899721732noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12723103.post-1130036983717705452005-10-22T20:09:00.000-07:002005-10-22T20:09:00.000-07:00>Yet, God changed the mindset of the whole world t...>Yet, God changed the mindset of the whole world through his other reformers' actions.<<BR/>A curious quote from a Calvin supporter in light of his beliefs. Do you truly believe this and have you thought this out?Bhedrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08091896907803479900noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12723103.post-1130020108210874822005-10-22T15:28:00.000-07:002005-10-22T15:28:00.000-07:00Typo correction: "...his and other reformers' acti...Typo correction: "...his and other reformers' actions".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12723103.post-1130020044326796992005-10-22T15:27:00.000-07:002005-10-22T15:27:00.000-07:00Bo... Thank you!!! I get so sick of people critic...Bo... Thank you!!! I get so sick of people criticizing Calvin without recognizing the times he lived in. Granted, he did some bad things (as if we don't?). Yet, God changed the mindset of the whole world through his other reformers' actions. Praise God indeed!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12723103.post-1130004776728226912005-10-22T11:12:00.000-07:002005-10-22T11:12:00.000-07:00I find it amazing how hard some people are on the ...I find it amazing how hard some people are on the reformers... I don't concentrate on their foibles, but instead marvel at the grace God showed these folks in the midst of a world in which (from our informed perspective of history), black was white, up was down and your doctrine would not simply raise the ire of someone on a blog, but could get you, your family and your entire village smoked. <BR/><BR/>I've read Calvin on baptism and the best I could come up with was that he seemed confused or really inconsistent. But, you know what? I would rather focus on how much he and others got right at the time and place they arrived on the scene. I can't even imagine living as a Christian in their world. Praise God.<BR/><BR/>Which brings me to the fighting fundies... I've been there. They are the ones that have plenty of 'splainin' to do, because they have tons of resources at their fingertips and can still come up with such weak analysis of church history, the development of doctrine and understanding of the Word. <BR/><BR/>It's like the Watchtower Society... once you cut yourself off or stand aloof from the wider Body of Christ, you turn into the religious version of Howard Hughes... a caricature, who adds nothing to the building up of the Body, while you provide plenty of cheap labor in Its demolition. Meanwhile the unbelieving world laughs in derision. <BR/><BR/>Phew... I feel better now.Udarnikhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13014389397899721732noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12723103.post-1129993858342604382005-10-22T08:10:00.000-07:002005-10-22T08:10:00.000-07:00The Biblical admonition agains the smoking of ciga...The Biblical admonition agains the smoking of cigars is directly and clearly outlined in II Hezekiah 4:12.<BR/><BR/>Any behavior that is not in the center of God's will is unregenerate behavior in the sense that it would be adequate to keep us from the kingdom. <BR/><BR/>All of our righteousness is like filthy rags in His sight.<BR/><BR/>Glad I have Christ, so I don't have to depend on my own behavior. Good or bad, it will fail me.Joehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09693381971064363612noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12723103.post-1129970595821308672005-10-22T01:43:00.000-07:002005-10-22T01:43:00.000-07:00CenturiOn,Have your history book handy? Who said t...CenturiOn,<BR/>Have your history book handy? Who said this; what political personality when criticized for smoking Cuban cigars replied, "At a time of war, it is customary to burn your enemy's crops."?<BR/>I would hazard a guess, but I'd probably be wrong.Matthew Carrollhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02030076368305696495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12723103.post-1129954274963097232005-10-21T21:11:00.000-07:002005-10-21T21:11:00.000-07:00Hey why don't you add a zippo to the pyro!Hey why don't you add a zippo to the pyro!Bhedrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08091896907803479900noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12723103.post-1129951530692177032005-10-21T20:25:00.000-07:002005-10-21T20:25:00.000-07:00Paedobaptism is not on topic but not any of the Re...Paedobaptism is not on topic but not any of the Reformed Paedo-Baptists believe in Baptismal regeneration. In fact, most wrote against it at some time. In any case, there will be Numerous brilliant theologians who will be wrong about this issue. Piper versus Sproul. Spurgeon versus Edwards. Packard versus MacArthur. Etc. Half of these men will be wrong.<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>I always find a special delight in informing people that Luther drank Beer, Calvin drank Wine, and Spurgeon somed Cigars. I don't take part in any of these. However, to consider that any are "unregenerate behavior" is to create commandments that our Lord has not.<BR/><BR/>In any case, thanks for the email. Often times, the comments FROM Arminians or Paccifists do the BEST job of disproving their own position.Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05447965246351592556noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12723103.post-1129951217678210162005-10-21T20:20:00.000-07:002005-10-21T20:20:00.000-07:00I guess it was you that made the point about Spurg...I guess it was you that made the point about Spurgeon. never mind then. That was a strange conversation anyway. Both of you seemed to be arguing for each others point without knowing it.Bhedrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08091896907803479900noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12723103.post-1129948383162110142005-10-21T19:33:00.000-07:002005-10-21T19:33:00.000-07:00Wow,We went from Calvins excecutions to smoking ci...Wow,<BR/><BR/>We went from Calvins excecutions to smoking cigars?!? Unbelievable.<BR/><BR/>I remember when Jack Hyles did what he did. I was there in the midst of all those fundies who made excuses for him. Jack even yelled at my buddy who personally questioned him about it in Dr Rodney Bell's office. "Get this kid out of here! I can't believe your in here asking me this son!"<BR/><BR/>I wonder if Calvin and Zwingle had stickers to pass out to the people that said, "I'm 100% for Calvin!"<BR/><BR/>There are however godly men that came from both Hyles and Bell's ministry(who recently had to step down from his ministry) so I won't push this anymore as I respect that men like Knox came from Calvin's and Spurgeon himself respected him but I will by no means attempt to pardon guilt or seek to strain out a gnat to redeem a camel.Bhedrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08091896907803479900noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12723103.post-1129931025342634062005-10-21T14:43:00.000-07:002005-10-21T14:43:00.000-07:00OK, now I know I've been reading too much Frank Tu...OK, now I know I've been reading too much Frank Turk (ha, as if there was such a thing). I read his last comment as:<BR/>"If I had an extra 20 hours a weekm I would start a blog that documents all the times in internet discourse when an open <I>comic</I> book and a rudimentary sense of humor would have set aside a conflict."<BR/>Yipes!Matt Gummhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14698469400042045105noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12723103.post-1129930244824193722005-10-21T14:30:00.000-07:002005-10-21T14:30:00.000-07:00maybe I missed it, but how is Smoking cigars unreg...maybe I missed it, but how is Smoking cigars unregenerate?<BR/><BR/>Clue me in, I think I missed that passage in the Bible.Frank Martenshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13962831912421867593noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12723103.post-1129927279917671702005-10-21T13:41:00.000-07:002005-10-21T13:41:00.000-07:00Have PETA targeted the Lord Almighty with an Ad ca...Have PETA targeted the Lord Almighty with an Ad campaign yet, seeing as He was the one who started this whole wearing fur thing?Kayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14873728356115837593noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12723103.post-1129925970914436722005-10-21T13:19:00.000-07:002005-10-21T13:19:00.000-07:00Wouldn't it be simpler just to feed all of the veg...Wouldn't it be simpler just to feed all of the vegetarian pacifists to the sharks, lions, boas, and crocodiles? It would save money at the local zoo and also give the vegetarian pacifists a chance to stand up for their principles.stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16547070544928321788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12723103.post-1129924967765249242005-10-21T13:02:00.000-07:002005-10-21T13:02:00.000-07:00And its these kind of folks that Jesus had in mind...And its these kind of folks that Jesus had in mind when he told us to love our neighbor...now that was a great challenge by Christ!Mike Perrigouehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04887588981071314757noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12723103.post-1129923110757055312005-10-21T12:31:00.000-07:002005-10-21T12:31:00.000-07:00Sounds like there are a lot of people who have ove...Sounds like there are a lot of people who have overly-sensitive consciences about issues of war, violence and cruelty to animals. We should parade our knowledge in front of them, possibly lifting our skirts in a Braveheart moon.Sharad Yadavhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12150204571738424517noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12723103.post-1129920149907390382005-10-21T11:42:00.000-07:002005-10-21T11:42:00.000-07:00Johnny - Calvin did beleive in 'presumptive regene...Johnny - Calvin did beleive in 'presumptive regeneration' - that is, believe your children (children of believers) are regenerate until they show themselves otherwise.<BR/><BR/>In addressing the Council of Trent's canons from the sixth session (the one that dealt with justification) Calvin wrote:<BR/><BR/>But they have been pleased to exclude infants from the kingdom of God, who have been snatched away before they could be offered for baptism. As if nothing were meant when it is said that the children of believers are born holy. ( 1 Corinthians 7:14.) Nay, on what ground do we admit them to baptism unless that they are the heirs of promise? For did not the promise of life apply to them it would be a profanation of baptism to give it to them. But if God has adopted them into his kingdom, how great injustice is done to his promise, as if it were not of itself sufficient for their salvation! A contrary opinion, I admit, has prevailed, but it is unjust to bury the truth of God under any human error, however ancient. The salvation of infants is included in the promise in which God declares to believers that he will be a God to them and to their seed. In this way he declared, that those deriving descent from Abraham were born to him. ( Genesis 17:7) In virtue of this promise they are admitted to baptism, because they are considered members of the Church. Their salvation, therefore, has not its commencement in baptism, but being already founded on the word, is sealed by baptism.<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://public.csusm.edu/public/guests/rsclark/Antidote.htm" REL="nofollow">http://public.csusm.edu/public/guests/rsclark/Antidote.htm</A> - Antidote to the Sixth Session of the Council of Trent on the Doctrine of Justification by John Calvin (1547)<BR/><BR/>On a complete other note, Osama Bin Laden is alive and well, driving a cab near some airport in California. I found <A HREF="http://vikingphoenix.com/immigration/oblcal911dl.jpg" REL="nofollow">his drivers' license</A> on a public information website.<BR/><BR/>*snicker*BlackCalvinist aka G.R.A.C.E. Preechahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15932595078017549317noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12723103.post-1129920028696937032005-10-21T11:40:00.000-07:002005-10-21T11:40:00.000-07:00Paedobaptism is really beyond the scope of the sub...Paedobaptism is really beyond the scope of the subject for this post. One of these days I'll do a post on the subject. At the moment, however, I have enough other threads to try to keep straight in my head.<BR/><BR/>Quick answer to your question, though: While I don't agree with either Sproul or Calvin on baptism, I don't believe either of them can be fairly charged with teaching baptismal regeneration.Phil Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00649092052031518426noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12723103.post-1129917595109892082005-10-21T10:59:00.000-07:002005-10-21T10:59:00.000-07:00you write:Pacifists therefore usually take one of ...you write:<BR/>Pacifists therefore usually take one of two approaches to interpreting the Old Testament: either they attack the authority and reliability of the Hebrew Scriptures, or they devise a theology that accommodates some sort of massive shift from the ethical and moral standards of the Old Testament to a supposedly new and higher standard in the New Testament.<BR/><BR/>The former approach is patently liberal and quickly degenerates into some variety of deism or Socinianism. The latter approach is really no less problematic. It undermines one's approach to both hermeneutics and systematic theology at a foundational level. It opens the door for creeping liberalism, too.<BR/>Someone should take your thesaurus away.chamblee54https://www.blogger.com/profile/17280870701343868626noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12723103.post-1129917297793061932005-10-21T10:54:00.000-07:002005-10-21T10:54:00.000-07:00Phil,On a different subject in reference to Calvin...Phil,<BR/><BR/>On a different subject in reference to Calvin... Did Calvin believe what R.C. Sproul has edited in the ESV Study Bible concerning infant baptism? In the commentary on John 3, Sproul seems to indicate that infant baptism regenerates. What say you?<BR/><BR/>"Infants can be born again, although the faith that they exercise cannot be<BR/>as visible as that of adults."Johnnyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13434024575764450356noreply@blogger.com